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01/25/2016 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:46:32 PM Project Update: by Steve Butt, Project Manager, Alaska Lng Project
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Project Update, AK LNG Project Manager Steve Butt
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 25, 2016                                                                                        
                           3:45 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Mia Costello, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator John Coghill                                                                                                            
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Stoltze                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION: BY STEVE BUTT, PROJECT MANAGER, ALASKA LNG PROJECT                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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STEVE BUTT, Senior Project Manager                                                                                              
AKLNG Project                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented AKLNG Project update.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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3:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CATHY   GIESSEL  called   the  Senate  Resources   Standing                                                            
Committee meeting  to order  at 3:45 p.m.  Present at the  call to                                                              
order  were  Senators  Costello,   Micciche,  Coghill,  and  Chair                                                              
Giessel.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:46:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Project  Update:  By  Steve Butt,  Project  Manager,  Alaska  LNG                                                              
Project                                                                                                                         
        Project Update: By Steve Butt, Project Manager,                                                                     
                       Alaska LNG Project                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
3:46:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  invited Steve  Butt to  provide the committee  with                                                              
the AKLNG project update.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  BUTT,  Senior  Project  Manager,  AKLNG  Project,  said  he                                                              
represents  a  130-member  team  of  experts  and  he  wanted  the                                                              
committee to  listen as  representatives of one  of the  owners in                                                              
the project  working under the  Joint Venture Agreement  (JVA) for                                                              
(front  end engineering  and design)  pre-FEED.  Alaskans need  to                                                              
learn  about the  project,  he said,  because  25  percent of  the                                                              
money being spent on this project is the state's money.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:48:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STOLTZE joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:49:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  asked Mr. Butt how  this project still  makes sense                                                              
in this low cost environment.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT responded  that the key  is for individuals to  get to an                                                              
informed place so they can make that decision for themselves.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:50:17 PM                                                                                                                    
He said  the AKLNG  Project is  an integrated  project to  liquefy                                                              
natural gas and  connect it to Asian buyers. This  concept is very                                                              
different  than previous  concepts, and  to the  core question  of                                                              
the  project making  sense in  a  low oil  price environment,  one                                                              
could ask if it makes sense in any oil price environment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
To that answer:  a structure has been created where  for the first                                                              
time  ever the  four parties  who have  claim on  the North  Slope                                                              
resource  -  the  three  producers  who  purchased  the  right  to                                                              
produce  the  hydrocarbon and  the  state  that has  a  derivative                                                              
right to its share  of the income through royalty  taxes and other                                                              
mechanisms  -  are  working together.  The state  takes its  share                                                              
through a  25 percent  equity position in  the project,  which was                                                              
worked  out under  SB 138,  and  as an  owner  has a  seat at  the                                                              
table.                                                                                                                          
People  are   wondering  if  the   project  might  stop   in  this                                                              
environment,  because  it  just  feels more  problematic  and  all                                                              
participants are  tight on  cash, which is  not unique to  any one                                                              
of them.  So the project  has to  figure out what  it is  doing to                                                              
minimize today's  spend and  reduce its long  term cost  of supply                                                              
so it  can be competitive.  He said he  would keep coming  back to                                                              
that theme. "It's all about competitive cost of supply."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:52:53 PM                                                                                                                    
Connecting  the  resource  at  the   right  cost  to  the  project                                                              
requires  doing  some  things.   First,  Pt.  Thomson  has  to  be                                                              
connected to Prudhoe  Bay. The Point Thomson resource  owners will                                                              
carry the  cost of that interconnect  line, because  Point Thomson                                                              
resources will be  going into the AKLNG Project that  has to build                                                              
a gas  treatment plant (GTP)  to remove  the CO2. Then  a pipeline                                                              
needs to be built  to move the gas from the north  to the south to                                                              
have access  to ports where  the LNG can  be delivered  to markets                                                              
12 months  out of the  year, which  has already been  successfully                                                              
demonstrated  by the  existing  ConocoPhillips'  facility. Then  a                                                              
liquefaction  facility needs  to  be built.  So,  there are  three                                                              
core activities  the AKLNG Project  has to complete:  treating the                                                              
gas, transporting the gas and liquefying it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A GTP  is about 25 percent  of the cost  of the whole  project. It                                                              
will remove  over 450  mmcf/day CO2  or well over  4 tcf  over the                                                              
life of the project.  Prudhoe Bay has about 12 percent  CO2 in the                                                              
reservoir. The  operators have  done a great  job of  managing the                                                              
reservoir by reinjecting  this gas to produce 7-9  bcf/day for the                                                              
last 30  years and  have put that  gas back  in the ground  almost                                                              
four times.  No other LNG projects  in the world handle  that much                                                              
CO2.  Point Thomson  has only  about 4  percent CO2,  which is  an                                                              
advantage,  because by  bringing  the two  resources together  (23                                                              
tcf  from Prudhoe  Bay and  6-8 tcf  from Point  Thomson) the  GTP                                                              
that  has to  be  built to  handle  Prudhoe Bay  gas  will be  big                                                              
enough  to  handle  Point  Thomson   CO2,  also.  This  is  a  big                                                              
advantage, because  the gas can be treated and  the CO2 reinjected                                                              
into  the ground  with  only  one GTP.  It  is a  really  critical                                                              
element of this project, because it will save so much money.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT explained  that once impurities are removed  from the gas                                                              
and  put back  into the  ground  in Prudhoe  Bay  where they  came                                                              
from, a pipeline  gets built, which  is another 25 percent  of the                                                              
project.  The pipeline  will be  about 804 miles  long and  allows                                                              
transportation of  the gas from the  north to the south  with five                                                              
instate connection points  under SB 138. Then the gas  needs to be                                                              
liquefied.  This is  done  by getting  the  gas  very cold,  about                                                              
minus  260  Fahrenheit.  At those  temperatures  methane  converts                                                              
from a  gaseous form to  liquid form and  in doing so,  it shrinks                                                              
by a  factor of 600. It  is much easier  to move one boat  of cold                                                              
liquefied  gas to  a buyer  than  600 boats  of ambient  gas in  a                                                              
vapor phase to  a buyer. So, half  the cost of the project  is the                                                              
marine  and  liquefaction  facilities that  allow  connecting  the                                                              
resource in the  north to the buyers in what is  conceivably Asian                                                              
markets.  But it really  connects  gas to anywhere  in the  world.                                                              
Once the LNG is  on the water it can access any  market, but right                                                              
now the forecast is for it to go to Asia.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Putting that  into further  context, Mr.  Butt said, Alaskans  use                                                              
about  220  mmcf/gas  and  this   facility  will  ship  about  2.4                                                              
bcf/day, 10 times  as much as the State of Alaska  uses! Exporting                                                              
LNG  to Asian  markets  underpins  the  project by  having  buyers                                                              
interested in  getting the product.  This is enough gas  to source                                                              
a country the  size of Germany.  This project is so large  that it                                                              
can  source Asian  markets  for decades  and  instate markets  for                                                              
decades longer  and be able to  have an infrastructure  that makes                                                              
both work. An  infrastructure of this complexity  to simply source                                                              
one-tenth  of  the  market  for instate  use  lacks  economies  of                                                              
scale.  By connecting  it  to a  larger  market,  the project  can                                                              
generate revenues that make is possible in this environment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:58:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:59:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BUTT said  cost  of supply  is  used to  figure  out if  this                                                              
project is  economic in  today's environment;  this means  all the                                                              
money  spent  on  the  project   ($45-65  billion)  plus  all  the                                                              
billions  to operate  it  over 30  years  divided  by 35  tcf/gas.                                                              
Whatever that  number is  it has  to be less  than the  buyer pays                                                              
for  it  so that  something  is  left  over  for the  lenders  and                                                              
investors. This  is why they want  to ask themselves if  the risks                                                              
make sense  and if there  is enough margin  that this  makes sense                                                              
for me. If not,  how do they work together with  the other parties                                                              
to  make  it work;  because  there  is  both  a short  term  spend                                                              
question that  the team is  working very  hard to drive  down, but                                                              
more importantly, this long term cost of supply question.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Cost  of supply  is  the metric  that  decides  whether a  project                                                              
lives or  dies. Because the market  decides if the cost  of supply                                                              
is  competitive. Can  the  gas be  bought  from  someone else  for                                                              
less?  Nobody will  pay  extra for  this  gas, he  said;  it is  a                                                              
commodity that  cannot be differentiated.  It is not  Copper River                                                              
salmon that demands  a premium, because everyone  recognizes it is                                                              
a better salmon.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL said  constituents  also ask  about  the demand  in                                                              
China diminishing  and about  the many  projects around  the world                                                              
coming on line. Why do we think we will be able to sell our gas?                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT  answered  that  as LNG  demand  grows  with  population                                                              
growth and  peoples' desire  to have  better standards  of living,                                                              
decisions have  to be made  about how to  provide energy  to their                                                              
economies. LNG  is a cleaner form  of energy than a lot  of energy                                                              
that  is  consumed  in  places  like  China  right  now  that  has                                                              
terrific air  quality issues  and concerns  about the  broader mix                                                              
of energies  used in the  rest of the  world. If folks  care about                                                              
the long term impacts  of getting their energy, they  can shift to                                                              
natural gas  and use it  as a bridge  to other technologies.  That                                                              
creates this demand.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He said that  all the studies  from any parties indicate  that LNG                                                              
is growing  faster than any other  energy source. There  is demand                                                              
out there, but  what's happening is that there  are more potential                                                              
sources of supply.  This project's competition is to  find ways to                                                              
make  Alaska  LNG,   which  is  very  close  to   the  market,  as                                                              
competitive  as  those other  sources.  They  do that  by  working                                                              
together and  using the resources  that all the parties  can bring                                                              
to bear to drive down the cost of supply.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:03:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI joined the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE asked  him to describe the amorphous  term, "Asian                                                              
markets."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT answered  that the  term "Asian  markets" describes  all                                                              
the different  buyers in Asia. There  are many countries  and they                                                              
all  have  receiving  terminals,   because  they  lack  indigenous                                                              
resources.  He doesn't talk  about more  specific buyers,  because                                                              
as  a group  of sellers  it's anti-competitive  for  them to  talk                                                              
about different  strategies  until they have  defined exactly  how                                                              
they want to work  together and how the different  parties want to                                                              
market  their gas.   Since all  the parties  are competitors  it's                                                              
inappropriate  and illegal  to say  this is the  right market  and                                                              
here's why.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE  said instead  of talking  about Asian  markets it                                                              
might  be helpful  to talk  about potential  Asian customers  that                                                              
actually bring their checkbook to the conversation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:06:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BUTT  said he  was  now  thinking  like an  owner/seller  and                                                              
that's great.  He recommended  the chair  engage counsel  for that                                                              
data, because it is available to them.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN  said there  is  no  question that  world  energy                                                              
markets  will grow  in the  next decades  and he  wanted to  see a                                                              
presentation on that growth.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:07:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BUTT  said they  leveraging one  of Alaska's core  advantages,                                                              
the  fact that  the air  in  Alaska is  colder  than in  a lot  of                                                              
places allowing  10-15 percent more  efficiency than  other plants                                                              
where LNG  is being  manufactured. The dryer  air also  helps with                                                              
the longevity of the machinery. These are huge issues.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Alaska  is in  the  Northern Hemisphere  and  that's where  buyers                                                              
are, too. The  buyers want more  LNG in the winter when  the turbo                                                              
machinery in Alaska  is more efficient in generating  more LNG, so                                                              
that  projects  in  the  Southern   Hemisphere  are  disadvantaged                                                              
because  their seasonality  is out  of sync with  their buyers  in                                                              
the Northern  Hemisphere.  A lot of  capacity has  to be  built to                                                              
handle  winter  demand  when  they  themselves  are  dealing  with                                                              
hotter temperatures.  Those  couple of factors  combined  with the                                                              
fact  that   Alaska  is  very  close   to  the  market   are  huge                                                              
advantages.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Another really big  advantage is that the Prudhoe  Bay resource is                                                              
well known,  he said. The  wells are drilled  and the  Prudhoe Bay                                                              
operator  has done a  great job  of managing  the gas to  maximize                                                              
oil production  for 30 years.  The gas  has been recycled  to keep                                                              
that capacity  and compression  in place. A  lot of  projects have                                                              
to build  that, but  AKLNG doesn't.  All of  those advantages  are                                                              
needed to  offset the big disadvantage  which is moving  4 tcf/CO2                                                              
over the  life of this  project. He explained  that a can  of coke                                                              
has 4 grams of  CO2 and this project has hundreds  of trillions of                                                              
cans of  coke equivalent of  CO2! A facility  is needed  to remove                                                              
all  of it  and  its very  expensive.  That is  why  there are  no                                                              
projects anywhere in the world handling this much CO2.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  went on  to explain  that the  project can't  be started                                                              
until  the  CO2  is  removed, because  CO2  freezes  at  minus  50                                                              
Fahrenheit. So,  if you're  trying to get  the gas cold  enough to                                                              
ship, if  there is anything in  that stream other than  methane it                                                              
will  freeze very  early. Once  that happens,  the whole  facility                                                              
locks up.  All of the impurities  must be removed.   He emphasized                                                              
and  half the  cost  of the  project  is to  clean  the gas.  What                                                              
little impurities  are left get  stripped out in  the liquefaction                                                              
facility.  All  that's  left at  the  end  of  the day  is  simple                                                              
molecules  of methane  and ethane  that folks  all over the  world                                                              
need.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:12:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked if there  is a limit  to how much  CO2 from                                                              
Point Thomson can be reinjected into Prudhoe Bay.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  answered that  Point Thomson is  a high pressure  system                                                              
at about 10,000  psi, but not nearly as big as  Prudhoe Bay, which                                                              
has  been produced  for decades.  So much  has been  taken out  of                                                              
Prudhoe Bay  already that  they are confident  that there  is room                                                              
for  the 4  percent  CO2 from  Point  Thomson.  Those things  were                                                              
discussed  by the  Prudhoe Bay  and Point  Thomson operators  with                                                              
the  Alaska Oil  and  Gas Conservation  Commission  (AOGCC), as  a                                                              
regulator,  to  get their  endorsement  to  take  gas out  of  the                                                              
fields for potential gas export.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked for an update on long  term LNG prices                                                              
in  the   Asian  market  and  if   he  saw  costs   dropping  with                                                              
commodities  plunging all  around  the world  making this  project                                                              
more competitive.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  answered that he can't  forecast prices - he  hasn't met                                                              
many folks  who get it  right - but  it's more important  that the                                                              
cost of supply is  low enough so that when markets  go up and down                                                              
there is still  a margin. Driving  down the cost of supply  is the                                                              
only thing the team  does. The question they as  owners should ask                                                              
themselves is:  what is the smallest  amount of money that  can be                                                              
spent to get the  gas off the North Slope connected  to buyers who                                                              
need the energy.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Secondly, Mr. Butt  said, steel is cheaper than it  was a year ago                                                              
and work  gets done  cheaper. One of  the most important  elements                                                              
of the energy  business is that it  takes a lot of energy  to make                                                              
energy. So,  if energy is cheaper,  that cost input goes  down and                                                              
all that  is measured  in the  cost of  supply. But the  questions                                                              
are:  is the  cost of  steel  coming down  enough  that it  really                                                              
matters in the  pipeline and is the compression  equipment getting                                                              
cheaper? They  are learning  that material  costs are  moving, but                                                              
some finished  products like  process modules,  machinery  and big                                                              
vessels are not.  This roles into their pre-FEED  analysis. It all                                                              
comes back to cost and risk.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP joined the audience.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:17:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BUTT said  they  are  working hard  to  build  a "culture  of                                                              
caring"  and  all   work  completed  in  2015   was  done  without                                                              
incident. During  the summer field work 300,000  person hours were                                                              
logged.  This   means  in  four   years  only  one   incident  was                                                              
recordable and that was in 2014.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He said  the December 2015  books on pre-FEED  were closed  out at                                                              
$376 million;  $83 million was spent  in 2014 and $293  million in                                                              
2015  and  that's  in  addition  to  the  $107  million  spent  on                                                              
concept,  just short  of  $500 million  spent  on  the project  to                                                              
date. The  design work on the  base Joint Venture  Agreement (JVA)                                                              
design is  about 85  percent complete, which  is what  they agreed                                                              
to execute in June  2014. Since then, work has been  added for the                                                              
48-inch pipeline, but that remains on schedule.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  said base cost and  schedule estimates are  getting done                                                              
and will be brought  to the legislature this year.  The FERC draft                                                              
was finished  in early 2015  and the project  got both  free trade                                                              
and  non-free trade  export  authorizations  making  AKLNG one  of                                                              
only a  handful of projects  that have  the legal right  to export                                                              
gas from  the United  States. The  Prudhoe Bay  and Point  Thomson                                                              
operators  also worked  with  the AOGCC  to  remove a  significant                                                              
risk:  the  regulatory right  to  actually  take  gas out  of  the                                                              
fields for an export project.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:44 PM                                                                                                                    
In 2016,  Mr. Butt said,  they would continue  to finish  the pre-                                                              
FEED  work  and  continue  progressing  the  Environmental  Impact                                                              
Statement (EIS),  as it  is a very  important critical  regulatory                                                              
activity  that ties  everything  together. The  first  step is  to                                                              
finish  the 48-inch  pipeline option  that all  parties agreed  to                                                              
spend about $30  million on, although it can probably  be done for                                                              
$26-27  million. The  decision will  be made  in April 2016.  They                                                              
have made sure  the state's gas team representatives  are going to                                                              
be  involved  in  the review  process  and  understand  costs  and                                                              
execution risks,  so that everyone  will have common data  when it                                                              
comes to the decision talks.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT reported  that  the  geotechnical and  geophysical  work                                                              
will be  finished to  support the  resource reports  and that  the                                                              
soil  borings and  field data  are  used to  demonstrate that  the                                                              
project can be built  in a safe manner. The second  draft resource                                                              
report is  in process now  and will start  to be submitted  to the                                                              
FERC next month  through May (it is submitted in  phases). As part                                                              
of  this  process,  owners  will  continue  to  be  provided  with                                                              
information to support  a FEED decision. This whole  process is to                                                              
give  everybody the  information  they need  to  consider what  is                                                              
best for the future of the project.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT  said   he  had  three  messages:  first,   this  is  an                                                              
integrated project  - half the cost  is the LNG plant,  25 percent                                                              
is the gas  plant and 25 percent  is the pipeline. All  the pieces                                                              
have  to work  together  for  the project  to  work;  each of  the                                                              
pieces  in isolation  isn't going  to be  successful. Because  the                                                              
project is  so big it  can only be effective  if the costs  can be                                                              
driven down.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  reiterated  that everything  comes  down  to cost  of  supply,                                                              
because the project  is competing in a global market  and low cost                                                              
wins.  He noted that  everyone notices  that  prices are down,  so                                                              
there is  a dual  challenge of  getting the  near term  spend down                                                              
while  minimizing the  cost of supply.  But the  fact that  prices                                                              
today  are  different  than  what people  thought  they  were  six                                                              
months ago emphasizes  the fact that prices aren't  predicted very                                                              
well. So, they  look at what they  do know. The market  tells them                                                              
every day what people  are willing to pay for  that commodity, but                                                              
the  question is  if this  project can  deliver it  for less  than                                                              
that. This  is the conversation  they want  to have over  the next                                                              
9-12 months.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said  if you're losing  money on a  unit cost basis,  you can't                                                              
make up for  it on volume. In  the LNG business the  money that is                                                              
spent up front has  to be recovered over time. His  last point was                                                              
that alignment  is critical, and  the four parties are  talking to                                                              
each other  and looking at the  risks together. This has  not been                                                              
done  before. He  suggested that  if  people are  willing to  work                                                              
together  to find alignment  to reduce  risk and  cost and  do the                                                              
necessary  work  to  make  that  happen,  it's  a  self-fulfilling                                                              
prophecy. You're more likely to be successful.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:26:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STOLTZE  asked the partners' understanding  of the state's                                                              
level of  participation and how the  state will pay for  its share                                                              
of the project.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:28:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BUTT  responded that SB 138  defines the state's share  of the                                                              
project at  25 percent,  and that  is pretty  well known.  But how                                                              
the state will  fund its share is  outside of his wheel  house and                                                              
the state is the only one who could answer that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:29:34 PM                                                                                                                    
He next  updated the committee  on the detailed  compositional and                                                              
hydraulic modeling  of the LNG systems  to understand how  all the                                                              
pieces  talk to  each other.  They know  what the  gas looks  like                                                              
from  the two  fields, how  it comes  into  the GTP,  how the  by-                                                              
products and  CO2 get  returned to Prudhoe  Bay, how  the pipeline                                                              
looks, and how the  LNG plant looks. An example  of the importance                                                              
of  these  details   is  if  the  discharge  temperature   of  the                                                              
compression systems  at Point Thomson  is changed by as  little as                                                              
10 degrees,  hundreds of barrels  of liquids get moved  across the                                                              
entire system. The  whole system is talking to each  other all the                                                              
time. This  modeling allows  them to do  "fit for purpose  project                                                              
specifications" making  sure the machinery everywhere  is balanced                                                              
and appropriate  for  its purpose  and that it's  as efficient  as                                                              
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
They understand  the maintenance  cycles on  all the machinery  so                                                              
when  they look  out 40  years and  make their  decisions on  cost                                                              
they are  thinking about the whole  system over the whole  life of                                                              
the  project. Making  sure these  systems run  for 40  years is  a                                                              
very important element of cost reduction and optimization.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  Point Thomson  gas is  treated the                                                              
same as Prudhoe Bay gas.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT answered  that it is treated the same, but  the amount of                                                              
gas and  level of CO2  between the fields  is very  different. The                                                              
rate  coming out  of Point  Thomson  is about  one-quarter of  the                                                              
input  rate   and  it  has  only   4  percent  CO2.   Prudhoe  Bay                                                              
contributes the other three-quarters that has 12 percent CO2.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:34:29 PM                                                                                                                    
It all goes into  the same acid gas rejection  unit. However, once                                                              
those  two  streams  are blended,  the  system  treats  everything                                                              
exactly the  same. The gas  comes up into  a large  reaction tower                                                              
and gets washed  down with Amine, a very long  chain chemical that                                                              
has  the ability  to grab  everything that  isn't hydrocarbon  and                                                              
bind it  in with the  liquid. This liquid  goes out the  bottom of                                                              
the tower  and everything  that's hydrocarbon  comes off  the top.                                                              
Everything  that comes  out the  top  goes into  the pipeline  and                                                              
everything  that comes  off the  bottom goes  into a reboiler  and                                                              
gets heated up.  When it's heated up, it releases  everything that                                                              
isn't a  hydrocarbon and everything  that comes off  that reboiler                                                              
tower  is now  an impurity  - it's  almost  all CO2  - and  that's                                                              
moved over into  Prudhoe Bay so it  can be put back  in the ground                                                              
where  it came  from. So  much more  can  be done  with a  blended                                                              
system, because together it's only about 10 percent CO2.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  said on the LNG  side they had finished  marine modeling                                                              
to demonstrate  that all  the materials  modules can be  received.                                                              
The layout design  is finished and navigation simulation  work was                                                              
done with  the AVTEC facility  in Seward. Geotechnical  de-risking                                                              
was finished  by drilling  61 onshore bore  holes and  25 offshore                                                              
bore holes. All  the information they have gathered  is consistent                                                              
with  expectations.  The  soils  appear appropriate  and  the  sea                                                              
floor mapping is being used in the design saving money.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
They  are looking  really  hard at  storage,  which is  expensive,                                                              
because  LNG  is always  trying  to  return  to a  gaseous  state.                                                              
Therefore, they  want to efficiently  move the LNG from  the plant                                                              
to the ships with a minimum amount of storage.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[At this  point he showed  a video of  the loading  and offloading                                                              
simulation at the AVTEC facility in Seward.]                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He explained that  any impact on the pipe for  post-heat treatment                                                              
can be  simulated. Tensile and  compression testing is  done under                                                              
the  direction   of  Pipeline   Hazardous  Materials   and  Safety                                                              
Administration  (PHMSA), the  group that  defines what tests  have                                                              
to be done  to satisfy them  that the design is  appropriate. They                                                              
are trying  to design  a bunch of  worst-case scenarios  and prove                                                              
that the pipe  can perform properly and maintain  integrity in the                                                              
event of all the bad things happening.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:37:11 PM                                                                                                                    
For the tensile  test, two sections  of pipe were cut  about eight                                                              
feet long  to test two sets  of welds and then  imperfections were                                                              
machined  in  at   PHMSA's  direction;  and  then   the  pipe  was                                                              
stretched (an  18 foot  section stretches to  about 19  feet). The                                                              
compression  was tested for  deformation and  bend by  pushing the                                                              
pipe from  either end using  8-10 million  pounds of load.  It was                                                              
found  to maintain  integrity under  those same  loads. The  tests                                                              
take six  hours and  many are done  at different  characteristics;                                                              
about 36,000 different  points are measured to test  any motion in                                                              
the pipe.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:39:39 PM                                                                                                                    
So, they  have demonstrated  to PHMSA  that over  a wide  range of                                                              
characteristics  the X70  material  from all  three mills  passes.                                                              
This means  they can  get the  pipe from  multiple sources.  Going                                                              
forward  the 48-inch  pipe needs  to  be tested.  That pipe  won't                                                              
come in until  April and that is  when the decision will  be made.                                                              
They  are confident  the  material  will pass,  but  they have  to                                                              
demonstrate  that  to  the  regulator's   satisfaction.  For  cost                                                              
reduction they  are trying to make  sure that the  pipeline route,                                                              
gravel  requirements, and  camps and  design are  as efficient  as                                                              
possible.  With a  bigger pipe  they  look at  cost and  execution                                                              
risk, because  a bigger  pipe needs a  deeper trench,  much bigger                                                              
side booms,  much bigger right-of-ways,  and a lot  more equipment                                                              
to move.  Three joints of  42-inch pipe can  be moved on  a truck,                                                              
but you can  only move two joints  of 48-inch pipe, so  50 percent                                                              
more  trucks will  be  needed. Everything  is  30-50 percent  more                                                              
difficult because  the weight  is so much  higher: two  Ford F150s                                                              
versus three  for a 48  inch line. One thing  they will ask  is as                                                              
steel  is dropping  in price  and  other things  aren't does  that                                                              
shift  the  math. That  decision  will  be  made before  the  next                                                              
update.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE said  he had no interest in funding  blue sky and                                                              
asked  how the  four partners  would  make the  final decision  on                                                              
size.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  answered that the  death of a  mega project  is spending                                                              
money that you  don't have to, and anything that  compromises cost                                                              
of supply is  the last thing they  want to do. But in  the 42-inch                                                              
v.  48-inch case  the question  is  if enough  compression can  be                                                              
removed  from  a  48-inch  pipe  to  make  the  reduction  in  the                                                              
compression  facilities offset  the  increase in  the pipe.  About                                                              
1.2 million  tons of  steel are  needed for  a 42-inch  system and                                                              
about 1.8  million tons of  steel for a  48-inch system.  The pipe                                                              
will cost more,  but the compression will cost  less. The question                                                              
then  will  be what  they  think  about  the execution  risk,  the                                                              
bigger right-of-ways,  the extra  equipment, and  if they  can get                                                              
comfortable that  the cost of supply isn't  adversely compromised.                                                              
The tradeoff  they  see, based on  updated data,  is somewhere  on                                                              
the  order  of  a several  hundred  million  differential  with  a                                                              
bigger system, because  the pipe costs more than  the reduction in                                                              
the  compression costs.  They want  to  say they  have given  both                                                              
systems the  same level of work,  which they can't say  right now.                                                              
They know a 42-inch  system meets the needs at the  lowest cost of                                                              
supply  based on  the  analysis they  have  done. But  one of  the                                                              
participants  asked for  some  more work  to  retest the  balance.                                                              
They have done that  and all participants will be  in the room, so                                                              
they all have the common data.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT recapped  that  pre-investment  is  tough on  a  project                                                              
because you're spending  money hoping that something  happens, and                                                              
if you get that wrong, every dollar is compromised.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:44:36 PM                                                                                                                    
He  said  they had  done  a  ton  of  work with  the  Prudhoe  Bay                                                              
operator  who  demonstrated how  they  would  get the  gravel  and                                                              
water needed  for the GTP, another  big risk that  had uncertainty                                                              
a year ago. They  want to have confidence that the  pit run gravel                                                              
is adequate  for building the base  of the GTP, because  it is one                                                              
of the  most expensive  parts of  the layout.  Going forward  they                                                              
want to  keep doing work  to reduce the  weight of  the facilities                                                              
and  optimize the  layout.   One  of the  big  challenges of  this                                                              
project  is that  it has  to handle  so much  CO2 before  anything                                                              
goes into the line.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:46:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BUTT  said   the  detailed  analysis  of  the   labor  demand                                                              
estimated  that 9,000-10,000  workers with  up to 15,000  seasonal                                                              
workers  will be needed.  There  aren't that  many folks with  the                                                              
right skills available,  so different strategies  are being looked                                                              
at to  get them. He  explained that for  the next several  years a                                                              
lot of  work is  being done  in the  western U.S.  but after  that                                                              
data for future work is not available.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:48:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COSTELLO asked if the labor report is public.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT replied  that it's  not done  yet, but  they could  work                                                              
with the  Department of  Labor and  Workforce Development  (DOLWD)                                                              
to share key elements of it.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO  asked which DOLWD programs are  important to the                                                              
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  said he would  try to answer  that question in  the next                                                              
update.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:49:27 PM                                                                                                                    
Logistically,  Mr. Butt said,  they want to  make sure  they don't                                                              
move anything  but people by air,  because air is  very expensive,                                                              
and all the  materials either by  road, rail or sea. If  they plan                                                              
properly,  they should  be able  to  get all  the materials  where                                                              
they  need to  be some  other way,  and  then the  people get  put                                                              
there  to actually  execute  the work.  Work  scopes and  movement                                                              
strategies  have been  designed for  each of  the key areas  along                                                              
the system,  and now they are  trying to optimize  different parts                                                              
of  the project  to  make sure  that  certain  equipment used  for                                                              
delivery in  one place maybe be  used again somewhere  else later.                                                              
Sealifts are  being minimized, because  of the logistics  involved                                                              
in  having the  right material  in the  right place  at the  right                                                              
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:50:37 PM                                                                                                                    
He  said  they  are  working  hard   on  contracting  with  Alaska                                                              
companies  and making  sure to  "marry up"  global LNG  experience                                                              
with local  Alaskan skills, and  about 700 Alaskan  companies have                                                              
already  registered  on  the  AK-LNG  website.  Going  forward  on                                                              
contracting,  they  will  have market  engagement  and  networking                                                              
forms  so that  Alaskan  companies can  get  to know  some of  the                                                              
global LNG  players. The business  information forum in  2015 went                                                              
really well. Local  Alaskan companies have a lot  of experience in                                                              
doing the work here  the right way and that knowledge  needs to be                                                              
captured  early and  be  worked  into the  design.  In this  vein,                                                              
forums  will be  held in  the second  quarter with  the folks  who                                                              
have registered on the website.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTT  said the "family tree"  slide illustrated that  over 100                                                              
companies  are  working  with the  project,  about  two-thirds  of                                                              
which  are  Alaskan. Work  is  being  done  on gathering  data  to                                                              
inform the  resource reports  for the  FERC application  that will                                                              
be going  in between  February  and May  2016 to  get to a  fourth                                                              
quarter  2016  application, if  all  the  other pieces  fall  into                                                              
place.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTT took  a moment  to congratulate  the crews  of the  2015                                                              
field season saying they "did an outstanding job."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:54:01 PM                                                                                                                    
He next  wrapped up by  reiterating that  the project has  a gated                                                              
process. First  the concept  - where the  plant, pipeline  and the                                                              
LNG facility  are located and  how they  work - was  defined (2012                                                              
to mid-2014 and  cost $107 million). Now they are  making sure the                                                              
concept works  and that the design  is right, that they  have cost                                                              
and schedule  information for FEED,  and that the  regulatory work                                                              
is on  track. That sets  up the big question  of whether to  go to                                                              
the  FEED stage  or not.  In FEED  the  regulatory reports  become                                                              
very detailed,  about five to six  times the original  10,000 page                                                              
report, and a lot more work still has to be done on that.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The project  then translates from  "process flow  diagrams," which                                                              
are simple  analysis of how everything  works, to a  very detailed                                                              
how  every pipe  looks, where  the wiring  is, the  size of  every                                                              
bolt  and  every   nut  and  a  capital  cost   estimate  that  is                                                              
absolutely  robust and  certain.  That allows  the  project to  go                                                              
into an  execution  phase with the  gap between  FEED and  startup                                                              
being  the  final  investment decision  (FID)  where  parties  ask                                                              
themselves if they want to spend about $30 million a day.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The   project   influence   curve    illustrated   spend   growing                                                              
asymptotically  as the  ability to  change things  goes down,  Mr.                                                              
Butt said, and  that is why they  want to get things  right in the                                                              
design phase  when the spend rates  are much lower ($30  million a                                                              
month).  With that  philosophy, the  forward plans  are to  finish                                                              
the  pipeline  sizing  in  April,   identify  the  interconnection                                                              
points  for   the  AGDC  so   that  the  hydraulic,   reliability,                                                              
availability,  and maintainability  - everything  in the  system -                                                              
modeling  can   be  finished  and   sourced.  Then   the  pre-FEED                                                              
deliverables -  cost and schedule  analysis, design  of everything                                                              
- can  be finished;  and cost optimization  work (targeting  $6-10                                                              
billion of  cost reduction)  continues. His  favorite slide  says,                                                              
"Lowest cost of supply wins."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Consistent with  that, Mr. Butt said,  they want to keep  the FERC                                                              
process going,  because once  the resource  reports are  de-risked                                                              
other  decisions   can  be  made.   Spending  has  to   be  phased                                                              
consistent  with this  model  so that  as the  risks  go down  the                                                              
resources go  up and all have  the confidence to move  through the                                                              
difference phases.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL  thanked him for  "that great overview"  saying that                                                              
it sets the stage for the rest of this week's meetings.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:58:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STOLTZE said  his constituents  wanted to  hear from  the                                                              
AKLNG fiscal team on deploying the state's now scarce resources.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:00:43 PM                                                                                                                    
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR GIESSEL  said this  discussion would  continue on  Wednesday                                                              
and adjourned the  Senate Resources Standing Committee  meeting at                                                              
5:00 p.m.                                                                                                                       

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SRES-AKLNG Leg Update- Jan 25 2016.pdf SRES 1/25/2016 3:30:00 PM
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